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    Trolls - and how to deal with them


    It has been brought to the my attention that there is a longstanding male and also a female troll lurking on this forum - both have many posts and attempt to frighten away newcomers.

    An Internet 'troll' is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He or she tries to start arguments and upset people.

    Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't 'get' that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

    Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

    Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, 'Surely there is something I can write that will change them.' But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

    Why Does it Matter?

    Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, 'You can't have a picnic without ants.'

    It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

    Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

    Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

    The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

    What Can be Done about Trolls?

    When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

    However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

    The only way to deal with trolls is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to trolls.

    When you try to reason with a troll, he wins. When you insult a troll, he wins. When you scream at a troll, he wins. The only thing that trolls can't handle is being ignored.

    What Not to Do

    As already stated, it is futile to try to 'cure' a troll of his obsession. But perhaps you simply cannot bear the hostile environment that the troll is creating and want to go away for a while.

    If you do that, then for the sake of the others on the system, please do not post a dramatic 'Goodbye!' message. This convinces the troll that he is winning the battle. There is, perhaps, no message you can write on a message system that is as damaging as an announcement that you are leaving because of the hostility that the troll has kindled.

    If you feel you must say something, a discreet message to the system operator (and some of the others users, if you have their email addresses) is the best course of action. Incidentally, if you


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    Blimey! I'm itching to find a "Troll"ed thread now!!

    All joking aside, I'm sure it's no fun if you're on the receiving end. As a Newbie, I "lurk" with the best of them on my hunt for info and have only made meagre postings but certainly have never had the bad luck to come accross a Troll or Trolless. Either that or I'm just too dense to pick up on it.[)]

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    That wasnt me[msnwink][msnwink]

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    Hey I like it - their profile even admits they are from Norway - reminds me of the Maelstrom ride in Epcot and all the wonderful Trolls there and in the shop after the ride - the children love them [msnsmile].


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    I wonder whether they have strangely coloured whisps hair ?

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    quote:Originally posted by Sarah Seaman

    Blimey! I'm itching to find a "Troll"ed thread now!!

    All joking aside, I'm sure it's no fun if you're on the receiving end. As a Newbie, I "lurk" with the best of them on my hunt for info and have only made meagre postings but certainly have never had the bad luck to come accross a Troll or Trolless. Either that or I'm just too dense to pick up on it.[)]

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    Sarah[8D]
    I've had tons of trouble with trolls on the message boards at yahoo.....I'm just in the middle of dealing with one now thats gots so bad I may have to bring the cops in if he comes to the USA.....he is an ex-cyberfriend so he knows where I live etc......I may have to change my id here....just to be on the safe side......I don't want him coming here starting anything...or to be able to find where my home in FL will be....do be careful who you talk to online.....I've had 3 years of this guy now....


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    The trouble is most trolls are so dim as too realise that IP addresses can be easily tracked these days. You often get a troll under one name and then posting a warning about troll activity under another name. We had a serious problem once with one and managed to get there name and contact info via the IP address. If you dont know how to do this yourself and have a serious cyber pest www.cyberangels.com is excellent at this. You should have seen the little nerds face when we turned up and spoke to his parents.
    Most boards will humour trolls unit they get abusive and then let them stay until the identity is known.
    Usually a troll is someone known to the boards. Same with cyber stalkers 99% are known to the victim.
    So the funny thing is that these people think they are being clever, in reality the administrators usually know exactly who they are. So they end up looking pretty dumb.

    Martin

    [quote]quote:Originally posted by TROLLMEISTER


    It has been brought to the my attention that there is a longstanding male and also a female troll lurking on this forum - both have many posts and attempt to frighten away newcomers.

    An Internet "troll" is a person who delights in sowing discord on the Internet. He or she tries to start arguments and upset people.

    Trolls see Internet communications services as convenient venues for their bizarre game. For some reason, they don't "get" that they are hurting real people. To them, other Internet users are not quite human but are a kind of digital abstraction. As a result, they feel no sorrow whatsoever for the pain they inflict. Indeed, the greater the suffering they cause, the greater their 'achievement' (as they see it). At the moment, the relative anonymity of the net allows trolls to flourish.

    Trolls are utterly impervious to criticism (constructive or otherwise). You cannot negotiate with them; you cannot cause them to feel shame or compassion; you cannot reason with them. They cannot be made to feel remorse. For some reason, trolls do not feel they are bound by the rules of courtesy or social responsibility.

    Perhaps this sounds inconceivable. You may think, "Surely there is something I can write that will change them." But a true troll can not be changed by mere words.

    Why Does it Matter?

    Some people — particularly those who have been online for years — are not upset by trolls and consider them an inevitable hazard of using the net. As the saying goes, "You can't have a picnic without ants."

    It would be nice if everybody was so easy-going, but the sad fact is that trolls do discourage people. Established posters may leave a message board because of the arguments that trolls ignite, and lurkers (people who read but do not post) may decide that they do not want to expose themselves to abuse and thus never get involved.

    Another problem is that the negative emotions stirred up by trolls leak over into other discussions. Normally affable people can become bitter after reading an angry interchange between a troll and his victims, and this can poison previously friendly interactions between long-time users.

    Finally, trolls create a paranoid environment, such that a casual criticism by a new arrival can elicit a ferocious and inappropriate backlash.

    The Internet is a wonderful resource which is breaking down barriers and stripping away prejudice. Trolls threaten our continued enjoyment of this beautiful forum for ideas.

    What Can be Done about Trolls?

    When you suspect that somebody is a troll, you might try responding with a polite, mild message to see if it's just somebody in a bad mood. Internet users sometimes let their passions get away from them when seated safely behind their keyboard. If you ignore their bluster and respond in a pleasant manner, they usually calm down.

    However, if the person persists in being beastly, and seems to enjoy being unpleasant, the only effective position is summed up as follows:

    T


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    What do Trolls wear ??? Hats. shoes. socks, 'ANORAKS'!!!!!?????
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