I'm sure you are right Blottie. Nostromo gave us some excellent advice about the 8 and 12 seat minivans last year. We had 7 people and the 8 seat minivan was fantastic. It's comfortable, easy to drive and has tons of luggage room. The 12 seat basically replaces the luggage room with another row of seats. It would be OK for getting lots of people around but next to useless to and from the airport.