Ok perhaps I would agree about the retirement visa, but the original topic was about E2 and having a child and the people on E2 are not retirees, we are not allowed to be, we invest hugely in the US economy both in money, taxes and the wages we pay US employees and yet even a e2 couple who have had a child born in the US who is a US citizen can still be sent home and a child brought out as a baby and spending 20 years in the country can still be sent back at 21. Problem is we have no vote, no lobbying power unlike the hispanics you mention, Robert, so who cares. Most Americans are not at all offended or take this as criticism, most are totally aghast that we dont have a green card and never will have, most cant believe it and cant comprehend why. I have had it said to me over and over.