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<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Katys Grandad
So you do have to stop before you can turn right. I must admit I can't make much sense of the overtaking rules but that's probably me.[/quote]You are correct you have to come to a full and complete stop-apparently the definition of this is for a full three seconds.
That said I didn't see anybody actually do this unless they were yielding to vehicles and/or pedestrians - 99% of people just seem to slow and then turn - in my experience most times if you look like you are not going to turn swiftly you will often get a sharp beep from behind as the driver behind will think you don't know you can turn.<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by florida4sun
Turning right on red, only do this if you have a clear right of way and only if there is is sign at the lights saying yo can do so. It is not in effect at every set of lights.[/quote]Of course - but as to the singeing - are you sure you don't mean unless there is a sign saying you can't ie
NO TURN on red.
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I'm struggling to see how you can think that it is a bad thing!
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<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by crews
9 - 'Three strikes' law.[/quote]Completely disagree with this unless you are talking about baseball.
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The ticket was given on the I-4 travelling up towards Universal from Kissimmee.
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by crews
florida4sun, Did you get your ticket on a multi-lane freeway? - If so that's very odd?
To avoid confusion I've quoted Florida Statute 316.084 - 2008 - In particular part (c). Which explains the overtaking on the right rule. I've also copied 316.075 which explains the right turn on red and surprise surprise... there are times when you can turn left on red as well !!!
In short - you can do it unless there's a sign to say you can't...
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:316.084 When overtaking on the right is permitted.--
(1) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(b) Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
(c) Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.
(2) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.[/quote]
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:316.075 Traffic control signal devices.--
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(c) Steady red indication.--
1. Vehicular traffic facing a steady red signal shall stop before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection or, if none, then before entering the intersection and shall remain standing until a green indication is shown; however:
a. The driver of a vehicle which is stopped at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or, if none then at the point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering the intersection in obedience to a steady red signal may make a right turn, but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and other traffic proceeding as directed by the signal at the intersection, except that municipal and county authorities may prohibit any such right turn against a steady red signal at any intersection, which prohibition shall be effective when a sign giving notice thereof is erected in a location visible to traffic approaching the intersection.
b. The driver of a vehicle on a one-way street that intersects another one-way street on which traffic moves to the left shall stop in obedience to a steady red signal, but may then make a left turn into the one-way street, but shall yield the right-of-way to pedestrians and other traffic proceeding as directed by the signal at the intersection, except that municipal and county authorities may prohibit any such left turn as described, which prohibition shall be effective when a sign giving notice thereof is attached to the traffic control signal device at the intersection.
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Yes sorry, you can turn on red except when signage states otherwise. These signs will either be on the gantry above the junction or on a post to the right of the junction.
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<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Katys Grandad
So you do have to stop before you can turn right. I must admit I can't make much sense of the overtaking rules but that's probably me.[/quote]You are correct you have to come to a full and complete stop-apparently the definition of this is for a full three seconds.
That said I didn't see anybody actually do this unless they were yielding to vehicles and/or pedestrians - 99% of people just seem to slow and then turn - in my experience most times if you look like you are not going to turn swiftly you will often get a sharp beep from behind as the driver behind will think you don't know you can turn.<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by florida4sun
Turning right on red, only do this if you have a clear right of way and only if there is is sign at the lights saying yo can do so. It is not in effect at every set of lights.[/quote]Of course - but as to the singeing - are you sure you don't mean unless there is a sign saying you can't ie
NO TURN on red.
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Well, you learn something new every day...
Nearly 30 years I've been zipping along the three lane highways in Florida, merrilly overtaking and undertaking on both sides thinking what a great idea it was. Well, if it's not legal, it should be!
Where's my avatar gone???! I spent ages choosing just the right one.
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2. Food
3. Shopping, particularly craft shops
4. Lovely villas with pools
5. Service
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<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Robert5988, Looks to me from the law above that it is allowed... it's certainly generally accepted on the freeways and coincides with the official driving advice given to visitors? If the law was applied in the UK then you wouldn't have to sit "in a queue of vehicles in the outside lane waiting to overtake slower vehicles". The idea that you're tailgating the people in front because your so concerned about being undertaken is the scary bit for me![/quote]
You have quoted the occasions when passing on the right is allowed. However you have omitted the important provision:
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Florida Statute 316.083 states:
"316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle.--The following rules shall govern the
overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations,
exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated:
(1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same
direction shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the right
side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. [/quote]
This has been discussed many times and Martin is quite correct when he states:
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:The only time it is allowed is if he other lane is naturally moving slower than yours and you have no choice.[/quote]
and of course the exceptions you quote in 316.084
If it was allowed, why was Martin fined?
Stay Right Pass Left™
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Stay Right Pass Left™ is dedicated to the safe driving practice of always staying right and passing on the left. Always drive only in the right hand lane. Respect faster cars that want to pass by not blocking their path. Please understand and respect the fact that the left hand lane is for passing only!
The law in most areas states that you must "stay right and pass on the left". To stay right in the far right hand lane and to pass in the left hand lane is safe driving practice. It is not only courteous, it's also the law! [/quote]
Perhaps you can provide the 'official driving advice' you speak of that allows overtaking on the Right? I have seen warnings that you need to be careful that it may happen, but nothing that condones that behaviour.
The fact that it is a rule that is widely disregarded, doesn't make it lawful.
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:The idea that you're tailgating the people in front because your so concerned about being undertaken is the scary bit for me![/quote]
I also take exception to your implication that I actually do tailgate to prevent being cut up. It is the fact that I leave a safe distance between myself and the car in front that means that, when in a line of vehicles waiting to overtake a truck, I will be 'undertaken' and move back down the queue.
It also means that I will be tailgated - usually by someone on their cell phone!!!
For all that most of us find driving in the USA generally easier than UK, it is a fact by any measure driving in the USA is more dangerous than UK - No of accidents per car, accidents per mile driven, any manipulation of the statistics you wish to make.
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<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by steph_goodrum
The numbering of the Interstates junctions with numbers that correspond to the approx mileage from the start of the Interstates.
For example if you join the I4 at junction 58 and want to go to junction 84 you know your trip is around 26 miles and know approx when to start looking for your exit rather than just have consecutive numbers as we do in the Uk. Makes the trip a little more relaxed.
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The markers now go up here at every .2 of a mile..its driving me mad already...LOL
