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It is fairly easy, as they can call Disney and quote the serial number, and Disney will confirm what days are left on. The problem is, for each person that sells them the ticket, the re-sellers do not bother to call Disney so take it on trust. They then re-sell the ticket to some other vacationer who then also has to buy on trust.
I'm not saying all tickets purchased are going to be invalid, but just that there is a very high (and real) risk that out of a batch of tickets bought, some are going to be invalid.
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Although these are not timeshare, they are remaining days from other customers tickets who have finished their vacation with days left. Not only is this not allowed, it is very risky. You will be asked to provide a finger print on entry to the park and if it doesn't match the original ticket holders, you will be asked to give details of your previous visits to see if it matches their records. Other than a lot of embarrasement at the gate you could lose the ticket then still have to pay full price to get in.
Also, the people selling these tickets do not really know if there are any remaining days left on the tickets, so they are relying on the guests that have sold them the ticket to tell the truth. You could in fact be buying park days that do not exist.
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I don't disagree with your point Roger but it is fairly easy for them to check the remaining days on the tickets.
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<<I don't disagree with your point Roger but it is fairly easy for them to check the remaining days on the tickets.>>
Actually it is isn't, this cannot be done over the phone, you have to do it at Guest Relations in person. This where you can become unstuck, as all of tickets have the original owners embedded in the ticket. Also where they were bought from.
Touts will not bother checking. I know of case where 10 used tickets with no days on were old to touts. These were then resold to unsuspecting guests.
First of the finger scan will usually reject a previosly owned ticket, you may be lucky and they may just let you through, more than likely they will quiz you with the following questions:
When did you last use the ticket
Where did you buy it
How many day where originally on the ticket
If owner is embed on the ticket they will ask for the name.
Ok so you have bought a ticket with some days left on. You find that the ticket is void, so now you trawl back to the vendor, if your are lucky they will probaly offer you an exchange but avoid refunds. By this time half of your day has gone.
If you have family in tow, your getting in the neck by now.
I have no sympathy, people pay thousands for for flights and accommodation, and then risk it to save $20 - on a day ticket!
If you think the above does not happen just stand by the turnstiles and wait for a while. You will see the odd family getting quizzed and/or taken to guest relations.
There is an even bigger scam which I will not go into, I think it's been busted now, but watch out for folks who approach you at the car parks offering cheap entry. More so in the Universal Parks.
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<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by roger
Although these are not timeshare, they are remaining days from other customers tickets who have finished their vacation with days left. Not only is this not allowed, it is very risky. You will be asked to provide a finger print on entry to the park and if it doesn't match the original ticket holders, you will be asked to give details of your previous visits to see if it matches their records. Other than a lot of embarrasement at the gate you could lose the ticket then still have to pay full price to get in.
Also, the people selling these tickets do not really know if there are any remaining days left on the tickets, so they are relying on the guests that have sold them the ticket to tell the truth. You could in fact be buying park days that do not exist.
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I don't disagree with your point Roger but it is fairly easy for them to check the remaining days on the tickets.
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One of my guests bought tickets from a seller at our local Walmart and emailed me specifically to suggest that I warn my future guests against buying them this way as one was invalid. Consequently I now do as suggested and send out a warning with the other literature.
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I'm entirely with Martin on this-I spend a few grand on my holiday-I'm not going to jeopardise it all for the sake of $20--Iwouldn't risk flying with a dodgy airline or get a car from rent a wreck either
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2 years ago, Universal parks: every single time my son's fingerprint wouldn't work, and every single time we had to get his passport out. We had an official legit ticket, so it was sorted out quickly. First time I went to Florida some 20 years ago I did buy unused tickets, but they were just punched out so you could easily see what was left. Now I would certainly not take the chance, no way!
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Just to be clear, I agree that it is safer to buy tickets from an official source and not from the sellers you see all over Kissimmee and I-Drive.
For the record though, can someone tell me where the figure of $20 comes from? I've had another look through the thread and can't figure it. Was it just made up to emphasise a point?
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Generally they sell second hand tickets for around $20 below gate price (on a single day tickets). And no it was not just made up, I understand the market inside out and upside down and yes I have an active interest in selling pucker tickets and prefferably through us. Although most resellers buy through us anyway (includng some legitimate booths in some hotels), so I do have a wider interest in selling legitimate tickets. Nothing to hide, all up front, simples.
You pay your money you take your chance.
Take this senario.
Guy has 3 days left on a Disney ticket, sells to dodgy vendor to resell. Said guy goes to guest relations, reports tickets lost, gets new tickets. Some sucker buys the now cancelled tickets from reseller.......
Also what difference does the amount make? Other than trying to prove me wrong in some way, there really are more important things to pick up on. This is supposed to a help forum not a let's try catch them out forum. Honestly it really is a petty thing to go back and pick up on. £49 plus tax around £56 bucks so in this case I was $4 out[:o)] I do apologise for deflating the amount buy such a vast amount [msnwink]
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Just to be clear, I agree that it is safer to buy tickets from an official source and not from the sellers you see all over Kissimmee and I-Drive.
For the record though, can someone tell me where the figure of $20 comes from? I've had another look through the thread and can't figure it. Was it just made up to emphasise a point?
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There there [msncry].
Chill out man. 'prove me wrong' 'catch them out' Relax, I'm just trying to develop a debate.
I have no vested interest other than I paid $130+ for single day park (hopper) admission (from memory, might be wrong) last year. I'm really only trying to have a civilised discussion but you seem to think everything everyone says is somehow a personal attack on you. Grow up.
From your response, am I to take it that single Disney park entry without the hopper facility is now $80 including tax? If so, I don't really see any gain in paying $50 for a ticket from one of the booths but that was my starting position anyway.
Could see why someone would take the chance if it was $50 instead of $130+ but, at the risk of boring everyone by repeating myself again, I would not advocate doing so.
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You have answered your own question, they are not hoppers. If you paid $130 for a hopper last year, they are not going to be $80 this year and there us no mention of hopping in the original post.
For the record there are no discounts for 1 and 2 day tickets, we buy around 50,000 single day tickets each year and pay gate price for them. If these booths were legit I would buy from them and make $150,000. I would sooner not sell single day tickets as there is zero profit in them, infect we lose money on some (albeit pennies).
It makes no difference to me as it has been going on longer than I can remember.
If someone wants to risk it then fine. But remember if the tickets fail you will be paying $50 over gate price for entry.
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There there [msncry].
Chill out man. 'prove me wrong' 'catch them out' Relax, I'm just trying to develop a debate.
I have no vested interest other than I paid $130+ for single day park (hopper) admission (from memory, might be wrong) last year. I'm really only trying to have a civilised discussion but you seem to think everything everyone says is somehow a personal attack on you. Grow up.
From your response, am I to take it that single Disney park entry without the hopper facility is now $80 including tax? If so, I don't really see any gain in paying $50 for a ticket from one of the booths but that was my starting position anyway.
Could see why someone would take the chance if it was $50 instead of $130+ but, at the risk of boring everyone by repeating myself again, I would not advocate doing so.
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Thanks for that civil response.
Really no quarrel here. Surprised to see details of margins on various products quoted [msnembarrased].
Anyway can you confirm that the cost of entry to Disney, paying at the gate, is $80 including tax? Cheers.
