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Hi.
I'm from England and a pretty competant driver of 20 years. I'm taking my family to Disney in October for the first time & flying to Tampa and hiring a car. I'm hiring a villa in the Hampton lakes area.
my question is, how easy is it to drive from there daily to the parks. is it relatively easy or are the roads badly sign posted. I'm hiring a sat-nav for the duration, but am worried that driving in the US might be a bit daunting. And how do the toll roads work and are there lots of them. As you can tell I'm a bit nervous of driving my family around. Please put my mind at rest. Much appreciated.
Garry
orlandochris
09-07-2010, 21:34
You'll have no trouble at all, especially with a sat nav. It's so easy to drive out there and everything is clearly signposted. You'll be able to pick up loads of tips on general driving in the 'Driving in Florida' part of the forum, here: http://www.orlando-guide.info/forums/forum_32.asp
Apart from remembering to drive on the wrong side of the road - which the car will remind you of anyway, the steering wheel being in the wrong place, you'll have no problems !!!
The area caters for strangers, signs are very clear & numerous - it's virtually impossible to get lost.
Toll roads just have booths blocking all lanes - just keep to your right for the manned pay lanes, biggish signs tell you how much, usually around $1 - driver pays so let front seat passenger sort change & pass to driver. Left lanes for "Sunpass" holders which automatically debit a pre-paid account. Most car hire co's will loan you a Sunpass (for a fee), but it's debatable whether it's worth it....
Apart from on the Interstates, drivers are pretty tolerant (in relation to UK) & will open a hole to let you change lanes. Overtaking is allowed in any lane ...
Speed limits are marked on rectangular white signs & vary in built-up areas. Don't cross the solid white lines approaching traffic lights, you can usually filter right at a junction with the lights against you if the road is clear & there's no specific sign telling you not to....
Stop signs at road junctions are set well back from the opposing road, you must stop & then creep foreward to see any traffic.
Roundabouts are virtually unheard of, cross roads usually work on the first in/first out principle, taking it in turns.
Because roads are much wider than UK, cars virtually all autos & there are lots of strangers who don't know the area, driving is very much easier than in UK & a much more pleasant experience. Just relax and enjoy !!!
Make sure the driver always has his/her driving licence with them when driving and you must also have the car rental paperwork and insurance details in the car.
Filling up with petrol is 'pay first/pump later'. Virtually all petrol/gas stations need a zip/postcode to be entered if you try to pay by credit card and will not accept UK postcodes.
Robert5988
10-07-2010, 01:19
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote: Overtaking is allowed in any lane ...[/quote]
It most certainly isn't allowed!! You must overtake on the left.
Despite the fact that 'undertaking' is commonplace it is illegal and several people on this OV have reported that they have been pulled over by the police for that offence.
DLB-GOUROCK
10-07-2010, 03:18
For driving information you should take a look at this .... http://www.stateofflorida.com/Portal/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=24
Chapter 3 "Your Driving" states .....
Passing on the right is only legal when there are two or more lanes of traffic moving in the same direction or the vehicle you are passing is making a left turn. Pulling off the pavement to pass on the right is against the law.
But there is a lot more interesting information to read too.
Albert the Frog
10-07-2010, 03:22
I find driving in the States an absolute pleasure- if you do go wrong don't panic and take your time-you'll get there particularly with a sat nav. The post above gives really good tips but based on your experience you'll have no problems at all-Enjoy!
Robert5988
10-07-2010, 04:10
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:For driving information you should take a look at this .... http://www.stateofflorida.com/Portal/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=24
Chapter 3 "Your Driving" states .....
Passing on the right is only legal when there are two or more lanes of traffic moving in the same direction or the vehicle you are passing is making a left turn. Pulling off the pavement to pass on the right is against the law.
But there is a lot more interesting information to read too.[/quote]
This extract(from an unofficial publication) could be misleading as it is taken out of context. It gives exceptions from the Florida Statute that states you must pass on the left. The term 'lanes of traffic' mean convoys of cars in each lane. If the Left hand lane of vehicles slows down, it is not illegal for the right hand lane to pass - happens all the time on crowded roads.
Also 'pavement' in UK speak is sidewalk in USA speak.
Before we cover old ground it is worth reading this thread with the relevant statutes.
http://www.orlando-guide.info/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51212&whichpage=1
This is the main statute:
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Florida Statute 316.083 states:
"316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle.--The following rules shall govern the
overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations,
exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated:
(1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same
direction shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the right
side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. [/quote]
Martin and another reader both got pulled over for 'undertaking' and Martin got a ticket.
Katys Grandad
10-07-2010, 07:29
I enjoy driving in the US but of course I'm usually on holiday with no deadlines to meet and the sun is shining so it's hardly a true comparison with my normal driving pattern in the UK. I would agree that driving around Orlando is generally hassle-free and you're unlikely to get into serious trouble but try driving in any major US conurbation and then say it's a pleasure. Half an hour of trying to find your way in a city like Miami or Los Angeles will make you yearn for a UK motorway jam.
Direction signage is nowhere near as good as in the UK and it's wise to have a clear idea of your route before you set out or consider a sat nav system.
Virtually impossible to get lost? - I don't think so.[msnwink]
chrizzy100
10-07-2010, 17:22
I still don't like US road signs..and I've lived here over 10 years...but I find driving easier and not so stressful ...but then in the UK I did drive for a living..
supersneak
11-07-2010, 15:19
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Gtyler
Hi.
I'm from England and a pretty competant driver of 20 years. I'm taking my family to Disney in October for the first time & flying to Tampa and hiring a car. I'm hiring a villa in the Hampton lakes area.
my question is, how easy is it to drive from there daily to the parks. is it relatively easy or are the roads badly sign posted. I'm hiring a sat-nav for the duration, but am worried that driving in the US might be a bit daunting. And how do the toll roads work and are there lots of them. As you can tell I'm a bit nervous of driving my family around. Please put my mind at rest. Much appreciated.
Garry
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Like most of the posters, I have found driving in Florida relaxing and enjoyable. One tip, the petrol pumps are manually activated, lift the lever after removing the nozzle, unlike UK pumps [msnsmile]
Whether its legal or not you WILL have to overtake on the right during your stay.
Drivers on their phones and Disney buses (to name but two) always drive in the outside lane 10-15 miles below the speed limit.
If you don't overtake on the right you be about the only person on the road in Orlando that doesn't.
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by wrpac00
Whether its legal or not you WILL have to overtake on the right during your stay.
Drivers on their phones and Disney buses (to name but two) always drive in the outside lane 10-15 miles below the speed limit.
If you don't overtake on the right you be about the only person on the road in Orlando that doesn't.
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That still does not make it right or legal.
I think we are all trying to over complicate driving. All I have to say, the same precaution and safety you would take in the uk, do the same in the US and you will be find. With all things just plan ahead.
orlandochris
22-07-2010, 16:08
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Jill
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by wrpac00
Whether its legal or not you WILL have to overtake on the right during your stay.
Drivers on their phones and Disney buses (to name but two) always drive in the outside lane 10-15 miles below the speed limit.
If you don't overtake on the right you be about the only person on the road in Orlando that doesn't.
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That still does not make it right or legal.
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The same applies to speeding, but everyone does it to some degree. I think you just have to be sensible - don't pass everything on the inside at 95mph in the slow lane, but if there is a lane hog in front tootling along, then go for it.
quote:
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316.084 When overtaking on the right is permitted.--
(1) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a) When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(b) Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
(c) Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.
(2) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
(3) A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.
This to me means undertaking on a single carriageway road is not allowoed where you would have to mount the pavement (sidewalk) this to me seams obvious. On roadways with more than one lane of traffic it reads to me that you can overtake on both side.
Robert5988
23-07-2010, 02:41
Lyn,
Have you read the link in the post above, and the post itself.
http://www.orlando-guide.info/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=51212&whichpage=1
You have quoted in 316.084 which are the exceptions to 316.083(which states you must overtake on the left)
Again as stated above, the significant wording from 316.084 is "two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction"
That does mean lines of moving traffic(i.e. queues of vehicles). There is no dispute that if there are queues of vehicles on a 2 lane or 3 lane highway and the right hand lane is moving faster you can pass on the right.(the same rule applies in UK - albeit on the left)
Not as you are interpreting it which appears to be <span style="color:red">'sufficient room </span id="red"> for two or more lines of <s><span style="color:red">moving</span id="red"></s> traffic'
Why would Martin have got a ticket on the I4 for undertaking, as well as others.
Before others jump in(again) and state that illegal undertaking is commonplace - which it obviously is - the point was being made to the person above who stated that it was allowed - it ain't!
Gary, all the replies are getting a bit complicated. In anwser to your original question - I find driving in Florida easy. Always have. I prefer to drive over there than in the UK. Im aged 50 and am slowing down on the roads now and find that driving these days is so manic. But in Florida I am still happy to drive although the I4 is getting a little like the M25 and I prefer to use the toll roads whenever possible. You will have no problem driving out there as an experienced driver of 20 years and you will be sad to get back home to our roads. Its an easy, well signposted drive to the parks from where you are staying. Once you get off I4 and onto the well signposted Disney highways you will get to all of the Disney parks easily and effortlessly. Similarly with Universal Studios and Sea World. Dont worry about driving over there your only possible problem would be the initial tiredness getting off the plane and venturing onto the roads but getting out of the airport is well signposted. Get a map and get your barings before you drive and this will help enormously. Good luck and enjoy your holiday. Gill
Hi Garry,firstly i know how nerve racking it is driving in a different country, wrong side of the road wrong side of the car, ive been to florida every year since 2004 and only decided to get a car for the first time last year, believe me even in the uk il have a sat nav and still need my hubby to point the way, anyway as soon as i sat behind the steering wheel i felt at ease ive never felt at ease and so relaxed whilst driving than what i did in florida, i definately needed the sat nav infact i found it a god send, i enjoyed the driving so much that im going back in november with my 3 children on my own and have hired another car, I bet you after a couple of days youll be making excuses to pop to the shop just so you can drive the car, i did [msnsmile2]
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Jill
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by wrpac00
Whether its legal or not you WILL have to overtake on the right during your stay.
Drivers on their phones and Disney buses (to name but two) always drive in the outside lane 10-15 miles below the speed limit.
If you don't overtake on the right you be about the only person on the road in Orlando that doesn't.
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That still does not make it right or legal.
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I didn't say it was right or legal. What I said was its impossible to drive in Orlando without overtaking on the inside because the vast majority of drivers their stay in the outside lane regardless.
grayster
26-07-2010, 13:39
Garry,
There's no need to worry about driving in Orlando/Kissimmee area, it really is pretty easy. Roads tend to very wide, cars tend to drive slower on the interstate (you dont see many 80mph+ like in UK) and the automatic gearbox means you press-and-go. I actually really enjoy driving over there (except when you get jammed up on I4).
If undertaking is illegal in some circumstances (and it seems so) then most US drivers break the law on the interstate - most seem to pick a lane and stay in it and that's what I tend to do.
Graeme
Sorry to bring this old chestnut up again but a similar question has come up on another forum.
Looking at the 2011 Florida Drivers Handbook (Contents of this document constitute a public record and consists of the textual
content and related diagrams and signage prepared by DHSMV staff and as contained in the 2011 Florida Driver’s handbook. Contents of this document do not contain advertising. Copyright Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles HSMV 71902 (Revised 09/2010).
It says under section 5.29 Passing:-
Passing on the right is only legal when there are two or more lanes of traffic moving in the same direction or the vehicle you are passing is making a left turn. Pulling off the roadway to pass on the right is against the law.
To me this means that you can 'undertake' as people have called it as long as you are on a road with at least two lanes travelling in the same direction. There is nothing in the book about 'overtaking' or undertaking' that I can find only 'passing'.
Robert5988
09-03-2011, 02:23
Suggest you read the posts earlier in this thread - starting 9 July 2010.
You are misinterpreting 'Two or more lanes of traffic' to mean a 'two lane highway.'
The clue is the word 'traffic' i.e. lanes of cars.
If that rule you quote said 'passing on the right is only legal on a two or more lane highway' you might have some justification. It doesn't, it refers to 'lanes of traffic'.
There are many many references in Florida and Federal regulations that state you must overtake on the left.
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Robert5988
Suggest you read the posts earlier in this thread - starting 9 July 2010.
You are misinterpreting 'Two or more lanes of traffic' to mean a 'two lane highway.'
The clue is the word 'traffic' i.e. lanes of cars.
If that rule you quote said 'passing on the right is only legal on a two or more lane highway' you might have some justification. It doesn't, it refers to 'lanes of traffic'.
There are many many references in Florida and Federal regulations that state you must overtake on the left.
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I don't think I am so could you post a link to where it actually states what YOU says its states because as yet we only have your word for that.
Robert5988
09-03-2011, 03:54
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:I don't think I am so could you post a link to where it actually states what YOU says its states because as yet we only have your word for that.[/quote]
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Florida Statute 316.083 states:
"316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle.--The following rules shall govern the overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations, exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated:
(1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the right side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. [/quote]
I just wonder why it is those people have posted on here that they have been pulled over by the police for overtaking on the right(undertaking), and Martin got a ticket for that offence.
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:(Martin)No this is not allowed to deliberately undertake. I always thought it was until I got a ticket!
The only time it is allowed is if he other lane is naturally moving slower than yours and you have no choice.[/quote]
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Stay Right Pass Left™ is dedicated to the safe driving practice of always staying right and passing on the left. Always drive only in the right hand lane. Respect faster cars that want to pass by not blocking their path. Please understand and respect the fact that the left hand lane is for passing only!
The law in most areas states that you must "stay right and pass on the left". To stay right in the far right hand lane and to pass in the left hand lane is safe driving practice. It is not only courteous, it's also the law! [/quote]
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:I too thought this was fair game out there until I got pulled over in Feb on the I4[/quote]
I have stated that 'two or more lanes of traffic' is not the same as 'a two or more lane highway' Is that not sufficient!!
So if you think that it is OK to overtake on the Right(undertake), then so be it.
Let others decide what they feel is correct.
There is no point quoting old quotes, that proves nothing and it is not sufficient because 90% of the time Robert your wrong.
In a previous post you riddiculed someone for saying - Passing on the right is only legal when there are two or more lanes of traffic moving in the same direction or the vehicle you are passing is making a left turn. Pulling off the roadway to pass on the right is against the law - which YOU said came from an unofficial publication. I have proved that in fact it comes from a Florida OFFICIAL publication which is issued to people to pass their Florida driving test.
I don't know where you drive Robert but where I come from if one car is on the road it is called TRAFFIC. It does not state STATIONARY or SLOW MOVING TRAFFIC and ALL roads have traffic so to me it means ANY TWO LANE OR MORE ROAD.
You have been unable to provide ANY evidence to support your arguement so unless you can we will have to consider it a load of rubbish. There are certain stipulations for not passing on the right which is why people may have been ticketed but as a general rule of thumb it appears you can pass on the right unless you can post a link to an OFFICIAL Floirda site.
chrizzy100
09-03-2011, 20:05
http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
is this any good..
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by chrizzy100
http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
is this any good..
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Not not really, not a legite document.
Also Florida Statute 316.083 is to do with passing bicycles:-
The driver of a vehicle overtaking a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle must pass the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle at a safe distance of not less than 3 feet between the vehicle and the bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle. Except when overtaking and passing on the right is permitted, the driver of an overtaken vehicle shall give way to the right in favor of the overtaking vehicle, on audible signal or upon the visible blinking of the headlamps of the overtaking vehicle if such.
Robert5988
09-03-2011, 21:53
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:You have been unable to provide ANY evidence to support your arguement so unless you can we will have to consider it a load of rubbish. There are certain stipulations for not passing on the right which is why people may have been ticketed but as a general rule of thumb it appears you can pass on the right unless you can post a link to an OFFICIAL Floirda site.[/quote]
Your logic is, as usual, sadly lacking!
All the official FLORIDA publications say you must pass on the left.
So pray tell us what stipulations there are for not passing on right.
Martin for instance was on the I4 when he was ticketed. What 'certain stipulation' was he breaching.(apart from overtaking on right)
If you feel that 'lanes of traffic' mean the same, in this context, as 'lane' Why doesn't the regulation simply say 'you may pass on the right on a two or more lane highway.'
Why have the superfluous(by your definition) word 'traffic' in the regulation.
EDIT
Why do the regulations you quote make an exception and allow a vehicle turning left to be passed on the right. By your definition there is no reason to have such an exemption as it is allowed anyway to pass on the right.
sunseeker
10-03-2011, 00:39
My daughter has a friend in the Miami police and he says you are only allowed to pass on the right if the traffic in your lane is moving faster. He called it travelling in lanes. By this he means heavy traffic where it would be impractical for any lane inside an outer lane to match its speed.
Dave
Hopefully it is okay to include this link as it is to the instructional video on how to drive in the right hand lane and follow the keep right rules http://www.americakeepright.com/main_video.html
Robert5988
10-03-2011, 02:48
Jill,
Nice link.
Unfortunately it is apparently rubbish, and should be ignored as according to wrpac00 his interpretation of regulations is correct. The term 'traffic' has no relevance; as he has proved that on a two or more lane highway you may overtake on the right.
Sorry also sunseeker, your daughter's friend in the Miami police clearly has no idea what he has talking about. Get her to tell him that one car on the road is 'traffic'
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:I don't know where you drive Robert but where I come from if one car is on the road it is called TRAFFIC. It does not state STATIONARY or SLOW MOVING TRAFFIC and ALL roads have traffic so to me it means ANY TWO LANE OR MORE ROAD.[/quote]
After all 'where he comes from' (sic) is apparently the determinate for Florida law.
So folks take your lead from wrpac00, or ?????
FraserLynn
10-03-2011, 02:58
This thread is like a one man stand against common sense, overwhelming evidence and personal experience.....
My suggestion is that Paul carries on overtaking on the right whilst he continues his search for the proof he required in the exact format that he requires it in. Meanwhile, I guess everyone else will do the sensible thing.
Entertaining though! [msnwink]
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:[I don't know where you drive Robert but where I come from if one car is on the road it is called TRAFFIC. It does not state STATIONARY or SLOW MOVING TRAFFIC and ALL roads have traffic so to me it means ANY TWO LANE OR MORE ROAD.[/quote]
Hate to rain on your parade but as far as a 'road' is concerned 'Traffic' does not apply solely to 'motorised or pedal' vehicles. In highway terms it also generally includes footpaths, bridleways and cycle tracks, and many roadways and driveways on private land (including many car parks), therefore, if you have 2 people walking on a footpath that will also constitute 'traffic' and you do not need any 'cars' on the highway pavement to have 'traffic'.
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:My suggestion is that Paul carries on overtaking on the right whilst he continues his search for the proof he required in the exact format that he requires it in. Meanwhile, I guess everyone else will do the sensible thing.[/quote]
I only hope if he is willing to pay any fines or penalties for those who follow his advice.
When Andrew spent time at University of Miami he often had lifts from other students as he did not have a car and they didn't overtake on the right if they saw any police about as they, like the Miami police force, were also under the impression it was not allowed.
Sorry guys but its not an official video and each state has its own rules.
Fraserlynn, I don't need to search for proof as I have provided it already. Its the others that have to provide the proof and they haven't as yet. It has nothing to do with common sense, it is the norm if Florida and I see it 30-40 times every time I go out on the road in Florida and I guess you do to.
Robert as usual thinks he is right and continues to condem others including the police because he thinks he knows right, wrong as usual Robert. I am sorry your education level doesn't allow to understand what word TRAFFIC means but hey ho. You continually ignore Legitimate documents in perference to your own egotistical views and unrelated links.
Robert, just for you the official Florida statute for passing on the right which completely blows your comment of - All the official FLORIDA publications say you must pass on the left (none of which you have produced by the way)- out of the water so as I said WRONG AGAIN ROBERT. [msnwink]
The 2010 Florida Statutes(including Special Session A)
Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL View Entire Chapter
316.084#8195;When overtaking on the right is permitted.—
(1)#8195;The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a)#8195;When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(b)#8195;Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
(c)#8195;Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.
(2)#8195;The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
(3)#8195;A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.
Now I am sure Robert will try and twist this and we will all have our own opinions.
chrizzy100
10-03-2011, 19:08
I've lived in the US for 11 years now can't say I overtake on the right..can't say I don't see people do it...but it looks kind of dangerous to me..
I overtake on the right.
Now where is that 'topic unsubscribe' button as i much prefer talk of Disney, sunshine, huge steaks and general niceties.
Katys Grandad
10-03-2011, 20:05
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by wrpac00
Robert, just for you the official Florida statute for passing on the right which completely blows your comment of - All the official FLORIDA publications say you must pass on the left (none of which you have produced by the way)- out of the water so as I said WRONG AGAIN ROBERT. [msnwink]
The 2010 Florida Statutes(including Special Session A)
Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL View Entire Chapter
316.084#8195;[u]When overtaking on the right is permitted</u>.—
(1)#8195;The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a)#8195;When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(b)#8195;Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
(c)#8195;Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.
(2)#8195;The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
(3)#8195;A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.
Now I am sure Robert will try and twist this and we will all have our own opinions.
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The key phrase in that provision (which I have bolded & underlined) is "when overtaking is permitted". What you have quoted here are the rules that apply in circumstances where overtaking on the right is allowed. It can therefore be reasonably deduced that, as a general rule, it isn't permitted. I'll bet that there'll be an earlier provision within that statute that generally prohibits it and this section merely provides limited exceptions.
Frankly, your post has actually significantly weakened your proposition that it's allowed. It's rather like you posting details of when it's OK to exceed the speed limit (like emergencies for instance) as authority for the view that they can all be ignored.
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Katys Grandad
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by wrpac00
Robert, just for you the official Florida statute for passing on the right which completely blows your comment of - All the official FLORIDA publications say you must pass on the left (none of which you have produced by the way)- out of the water so as I said WRONG AGAIN ROBERT. [msnwink]
The 2010 Florida Statutes(including Special Session A)
Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL View Entire Chapter
316.084#8195;[u]When overtaking on the right is permitted</u>.—
(1)#8195;The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a)#8195;When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(b)#8195;Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
(c)#8195;Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.
(2)#8195;The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
(3)#8195;A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.
Now I am sure Robert will try and twist this and we will all have our own opinions.
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The key phrase in that provision (which I have bolded & underlined) is "when overtaking is permitted". What you have quoted here are the rules that apply in circumstances where overtaking on the right is allowed. It can therefore be reasonably deduced that, as a general rule, it isn't permitted. I'll bet that there'll be an earlier provision within that statute that generally prohibits it and this section merely provides limited exceptions.
Frankly, your post has actually significantly weakened your proposition that it's allowed. It's rather like you posting details of when it's OK to exceed the speed limit (like emergencies for instance) as authority for the view that they can all be ignored.
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Sorry I can't agree with that because it says it is permitted, I have never disagreed that the norm is to pass on the left. The rule is ambiguous to say the least and open to interpretation.
Robert said that ALL Florida publications say you MUST pass on the LEFT. I have yet to find one that does say that, the Florida Drivers Handbook doesn't say that, and NO ONE so far has produced documentation that does say that so it is clear that NOT ALL publications state it.
Robert5988
10-03-2011, 21:30
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:The key phrase in that provision (which I have bolded & underlined) is "when overtaking is permitted". What you have quoted here are the rules that apply in circumstances where overtaking on the right is allowed. It can therefore be reasonably deduced that, as a general rule, it isn't permitted. I'll bet that there'll be an earlier provision within that statute that generally prohibits it and this section merely provides limited exceptions.[/quote]
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Frankly, your post has actually significantly weakened your proposition that it's allowed. It's rather like you posting details of when it's OK to exceed the speed limit (like emergencies for instance) as authority for the view that they can all be ignored[/quote].[/quote]
You are of course quite correct – and I posted the Florida Statute(316.083) earlier in the thread.
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Florida Statute 316.083 states:
"316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle.--The following rules shall govern the
overtaking and passing of vehicles proceeding in the same direction, subject to those limitations,
exceptions, and special rules hereinafter stated:
(1) The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle proceeding in the same
direction shall pass to the left thereof at a safe distance and shall not again drive to the right
side of the roadway until safely clear of the overtaken vehicle. [/quote]
Note: this is Florida Statute 316.083
Indeed the 'limitations, exceptions, and special rules hereinafter' are contained in the next Statute sub-section 316.084
This of course is the Florida Statute that Paul believes allows passing on the right:
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote: Robert, just for you the official Florida statute for passing on the right which completely blows your comment of - All the official FLORIDA publications say you must pass on the left (none of which you have produced by the way)- out of the water so as I said WRONG AGAIN ROBERT.
The 2010 Florida Statutes(including Special Session A)
Title XXIII
MOTOR VEHICLES Chapter 316
STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL View Entire Chapter
316.084#8195;When overtaking on the right is permitted.—
(1)#8195;The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
(a)#8195;When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
(b)#8195;Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving traffic in each direction;
(c)#8195;Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.
(2)#8195;The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle on the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. In no event shall such movement be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway.
(3)#8195;A violation of this section is a noncriminal traffic infraction, punishable as a moving violation as provided in chapter 318.[/quote]
All this has been explained to Paul in writing many times on this forum; including in this thread(I actually posted the Statute) I really don't know how to put it it simpler terms; perhaps someone else can explain?
florida4sun
10-03-2011, 21:37
Just to clear this up. It us called undertaking and an be done provided you are not causing a risky or dangerous situation. This leaves the law wide open for interpretation. The general guide is that if the lane to your left is backing up then yes you can undertake. If you blatantly under take for no good reason then the chances are the police will stop you, if they witness it.
I was ticketed for undertaking a car that would not get out of my way (lane hogging), so I skirted around he inside of him but not aggressively. The police ticketed both of us.
As for the question is driving easy in Florida, yes it is far easier and more enjoyable than driving in the UK.
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by wrpac00
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Jill
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by wrpac00
Whether its legal or not you WILL have to overtake on the right during your stay.
Drivers on their phones and Disney buses (to name but two) always drive in the outside lane 10-15 miles below the speed limit.
If you don't overtake on the right you be about the only person on the road in Orlando that doesn't.
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That still does not make it right or legal.
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I didn't say it was right or legal. What I said was its impossible to drive in Orlando without overtaking on the inside because the vast majority of drivers their stay in the outside lane regardless.
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<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by gpullan
Now where is that 'topic unsubscribe' button as i much prefer talk of Disney, sunshine, huge steaks and general niceties.
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I totally agree Garry
Katys Grandad
10-03-2011, 23:03
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by kitch50
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by gpullan
Now where is that 'topic unsubscribe' button as i much prefer talk of Disney, sunshine, huge steaks and general niceties.
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I totally agree Garry
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So the reason you both posted on the thread was because neither of you had any interest in it?
Perhaps when he is stopped and fined by a highway officer [msnwink]
sunseeker
10-03-2011, 23:42
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Robert5988
Jill,
Nice link.
Unfortunately it is apparently rubbish, and should be ignored as according to wrpac00 his interpretation of regulations is correct. The term 'traffic' has no relevance; as he has proved that on a two or more lane highway you may overtake on the right.
Sorry also sunseeker, your daughter's friend in the Miami police clearly has no idea what he has talking about. Get her to tell him that one car on the road is 'traffic'
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:I don't know where you drive Robert but where I come from if one car is on the road it is called TRAFFIC. It does not state STATIONARY or SLOW MOVING TRAFFIC and ALL roads have traffic so to me it means ANY TWO LANE OR MORE ROAD.[/quote]
After all 'where he comes from' (sic) is apparently the determinate for Florida law.
So folks take your lead from wrpac00, or ?????
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If you read my post correctly you would of read "HEAVY TRAFFIC". I'm pretty sure you have passed on the right when the queue of traffic you were travelling in was moving at a quicker pace than of that to your left. Also i'm pretty sure a traffic cop in the Miami Dade Police knows his onions about his job.
Dave
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by Katys Grandad
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by kitch50
<blockquote id="quote" class="ffs">quote:Originally posted by gpullan
Now where is that 'topic unsubscribe' button as i much prefer talk of Disney, sunshine, huge steaks and general niceties.
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I totally agree Garry
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So the reason you both posted on the thread was because neither of you had any interest in it?
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What did i post? Ah yes, to say i was unsubscribing as i prefer to discuss other topics, so yes you are quite correct grandad, i actually did post because i have no interest in it!!!!!!!!!
floridadreamvilla.co.uk
10-03-2011, 23:56
I think this one has run it's course and is now locked.