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flyrr100

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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 :  14:30:23 Show Profile Send flyrr100 a Direct Message  Reply with Quote
I just flew with a pilot from Oz. He and his wife won their green cards last year in the lottery! All they needed was a high school graduation and a clean police record.
Do the Brits have the Green Card Lottery?

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No if you are born in the uk you are not allowed to apply for it.
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Unless your parents are born abroad.

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No if you are born in the uk you are not allowed to apply for it.
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Carolyn won the green card lottery this year. Although we are both British, because she was born in Germany she is able to apply each year. I am also able to apply since I am married to someone born in Germany. Although she won, all the family get Green Cards.

As Martin says, if you were not born in a qualifying country, but both parents were born in a qualifying country then you can also apply.

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If you are born in Ireland you can apply - it's very unfair on us Brits

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It is all part of the 'special relationship' we have with America!

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Yes indeed - my husband emailed President Bush about it once he did get a reply back just saying thank you for your email etc etc ....

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Actually it is a fair system. It is aimed at attracting diversity. Just about every brit wants to live in Florida and they have no shortage of brits applying for visas. The lottery is aimed at countries who do not send many people over to the USA.

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If you are born in Ireland you can apply - it's very unfair on us Brits


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Any country that sends an average of 10,000 people or more to the USA over the last 5 years (ie 50,000 people over 5 years) is excluded from the Green Card Lottery. It always does seem odd that Northern Ireland can apply though (Ireland is understanable).

So if ever the UK sends less than this number of people to the US then we would start to be included in the lottery.

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Cruella DeVilla

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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 :  18:53:24 Show Profile Send Cruella DeVilla a Direct Message  Reply with Quote
We stand side by side with her no matter what but we are excluded

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Mr G

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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 :  18:53:38 Show Profile Send Mr G a Direct Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by roger
......
So if ever the UK sends less than this number of people to the US then we would start to be included in the lottery.



Yes but wouldn't our booking Calendars look sick

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We are not excluded from emigrating to the usa as over 100,000 of us do that each each year.

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Tourists dont count so no worries there

quote:
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quote:
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So if ever the UK sends less than this number of people to the US then we would start to be included in the lottery.



Yes but wouldn't our booking Calendars look sick


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Roger, do I understand from this that both your parents have to be born abroad in a qualifying country not just one? Both of us have one parent who was born abroad.

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I believe it is just one parent.

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Roger, do I understand from this that both your parents have to be born abroad in a qualifying country not just one? Both of us have one parent who was born abroad.


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I think it has to be both parents, not just one.

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quote:
Originally posted by florida4sun
We are not excluded from emigrating to the usa as over 100,000 of us do that each each year.

quote:
Originally posted by Cruella DeVilla
We stand side by side with her no matter what but we are excluded




But where do they get their figures for emigrating?
We have moved here, but under the rules of an E2 visa we are classed as temporary.
Are we included in the "emigrated" numbers i wonder???

The measure would be how many people attain permanent residence in the US from the UK per year.

Interestingly, i wonder whether Roger and his family are included in the UK numbers, even though they got here by having connections to another country (Germany).

If that were the case then people who can apply through connections to other countries would infact be stopping people who have no ties, by filling the avaialble 10,000 allocated slots.
Now that would seem just plain unfair.

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roger

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It is based on the number of people from each country obtaining permenant residency (green cards) not on the numbers approved for various other visas.

They look at the country of chargeability (Germany in Carolyn's case) when counting numbers of people from various countries.

I would imagine in our case, we will count as 1 person from Germany and 5 people from the UK in terms of the stats.

quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by florida4sun
We are not excluded from emigrating to the usa as over 100,000 of us do that each each year.

quote:
Originally posted by Cruella DeVilla
We stand side by side with her no matter what but we are excluded




But where do they get their figures for emigrating?
We have moved here, but under the rules of an E2 visa we are classed as temporary.
Are we included in the "emigrated" numbers i wonder???

The measure would be how many people attain permanent residence in the US from the UK per year.

Interestingly, i wonder whether Roger and his family are included in the UK numbers, even though they got here by having connections to another country (Germany).

If that were the case then people who can apply through connections to other countries would infact be stopping people who have no ties, by filling the avaialble 10,000 allocated slots.
Now that would seem just plain unfair.


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Cruella DeVilla

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quote:
Originally posted by florida4sun
We are not excluded from emigrating to the usa as over 100,000 of us do that each each year.

quote:
Originally posted by Cruella DeVilla
We stand side by side with her no matter what but we are excluded





Martin I am not talking about being excluded from emigrating (Although it is not technically possible to emigrate is it) I am talking about being excluded for the green card lottery which is what the title was. At the moment I know more than most how difficut the whole saga is

CDV


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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 :  23:19:01 Show Profile Send SDJ a Direct Message  Reply with Quote
We have not been allowed to win the lottery now for at least 15 years.

I was given to understand that years earlier, when UK had the 'brain drain' which some of the oldies may remember, that a private treaty was made between the 2 countries to try to stop all the clever educated British leaving to live in the USA. From my understanding, that is still the case.

Unscrupulous US Attorneys were still collecting fees - I think it was around $60/$80 to enter the Lottery, whilst we had no chance of winning a Green Card.

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quote:
Originally posted by roger
It is based on the number of people from each country obtaining permenant residency (green cards) not on the numbers approved for various other visas.

They look at the country of chargeability (Germany in Carolyn's case) when counting numbers of people from various countries.

I would imagine in our case, we will count as 1 person from Germany and 5 people from the UK in terms of the stats.

quote:
Originally posted by Frosty
quote:
Originally posted by florida4sun
We are not excluded from emigrating to the usa as over 100,000 of us do that each each year.

quote:
Originally posted by Cruella DeVilla
We stand side by side with her no matter what but we are excluded




But where do they get their figures for emigrating?
We have moved here, but under the rules of an E2 visa we are classed as temporary.
Are we included in the "emigrated" numbers i wonder???

The measure would be how many people attain permanent residence in the US from the UK per year.

Interestingly, i wonder whether Roger and his family are included in the UK numbers, even though they got here by having connections to another country (Germany).

If that were the case then people who can apply through connections to other countries would infact be stopping people who have no ties, by filling the avaialble 10,000 allocated slots.
Now that would seem just plain unfair.





Thanks for putting me straight.

Still think its unfair that you have applied because of your links with Germany, so all your numbers should have gone against the german allocation.
That way there might not be so many UK emigrants coming to America, then there might be a chance we don't send our allocation and thus they open the lottery back up to UK citizens.

Thats not an attack on you, good on yer that you got in, i just think that the system is flawed and it seems to be flawed heavy against us having a fighting chance same as everyone else.

Maybe SDJ is right and there is something a lot more underhand going on between the 2 countries.

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